The University of San Carlos (USC) in Cebu City is considered as the oldest school in the country and in Asia. Formerly known as the Colegio de San Ildefonso, it was founded by the Spanish Jesuits on August 1, 1595. This makes the Cebu-based university older than the University of Santo Tomas (1611) in Manila and Harvard University (1636) in the United States.The University of Santo Tomas, however, contests this title. Formerly known as the Colegio de Nuestra Señora del Rosario, UST was the first school, which got a university status in 1645. USC became a university in 1948. UST also claimed that the original USC was closed in 1769 as a result of the expulsion of the Jesuits. It reopened in 1783 under a new name and ownership. But the USC officials stick to their claim. The university observed its 400th foundation day on August 21, 1995.
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let me just cleat this...
UST claims the title as oldest university in the Philippines and not University of San Carlos because:
1. "UST was formerly known as Colegio de Nuestra Señora del Santísimo Rosario and was established in 1611 as an ACADEMIC INSTITUTION while the University of San Carlos formerly known as Colegio de San Ildefonso was established in 1595 not as an academic institution but merely as a DORMITORY ONLY."
2. It was closed in 1769 with the expulsion of the Jesuits. In 1783, the Colegio-Seminario de San Carlos opened under new owners.
3. UST was the first to have a UNIVERSITY STATUS in 1645 while USC had it just 1948.
let me just clear this...
UST claims the title as oldest university in the Philippines and not University of San Carlos because:
1. "UST was formerly known as Colegio de Nuestra Señora del Santísimo Rosario and was established in 1611 as an ACADEMIC INSTITUTION while the University of San Carlos formerly known as Colegio de San Ildefonso was established in 1595 not as an academic institution but merely as a DORMITORY ONLY."
2. It was closed in 1769 with the expulsion of the Jesuits. In 1783, the Colegio-Seminario de San Carlos opened under new owners.
3. UST was the first to have a UNIVERSITY STATUS in 1645 while USC had it just 1948.
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yup....i agree. im a proud cebuano(and batanggenyo)!
USC was first established they say, but its history was segmental, it closed at some point in time. UST was established second and continued receiving UNENDING GRACE.
hello. ano po ba talaga ang oldest university in asia??????
to anonymous1:
1. is the word "COLEGIO" de san ildefonso refers to a dormitory only?,
2. i think this item is referring only to the "oldest school" not the oldest university..
3. so, i think this item holds true.
the UNIVERSITY OS SANTO TOMAS is the OLDEST UNIVERSITY IN ASIA!
let me clear something.. ang pinag usapan hindi oldest univ. kundi oldest school, . ok usc still is the oldest not ust.. ayt,,
we're talking about the oldest SCHOOL not UNIVERSITY...hope, everyone knows how to READ and UNDERSTAND...
if you want an evidence, well, just go to usc and find the historical records of the university..ok?!?
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I second the motion. "USC ROCKS"..Yeahhhh.. Long live USC!!..Long live the Carolinians!!
what we are talking about here is the oldest school and not the issue of who got the first university status. People please try to read and U-N-D-E-R-S-T-A-N-D what we're talking about here. long live carolinians!
very informational
read also about the university of San carlos
Haii nako. Insecure ata tong mga tga Santo Tomas kaya angal ng angal. Tsk. I thought we should be the ones to be insecured with the Santo Tomas school bcoz of what great school they've become. But sad to say SOME of them doesn't know how to understand simple texts like this.
USC is also a great school with great number of achievmnts like UST and we say you'r great and we too, are great...especially in Cebu, Visayas and Mindanao area. That's why people who wanted to get good education come to us and not in La Salle(in Toledo, Cebu) and that is also why the Ateneo cudn't put up a college here in our place bcoz they too know that USC can already sustain quality education for a great number of people here. Even UP here closed their high school to concentrate more on their college system bcoz they somehow knew that they cudn't surpass us as of here in Cebu(but I thnk they dnt hav to close up their HS bcoz they'r already bettr here.)
And we don't claim to be the best students. I'm not an achiever myself but USC made me better than what I was back then. :)
Haii nako. Insecure ata tong mga tga Santo Tomas kaya angal ng angal. Tsk. I thought we should be the ones to be insecured with the Santo Tomas school bcoz of what great school they've become. But sad to say SOME of them doesn't know how to understand simple texts like this.
USC is also a great school with great number of achievmnts like UST and we say you'r great and we too, are great...especially in Cebu, Visayas and Mindanao area. That's why people who wanted to get good education come to us and not in La Salle(in Toledo, Cebu) and that is also why the Ateneo cudn't put up a college here in our place bcoz they too know that USC can already sustain quality education for a great number of people here. Even UP here closed their high school to concentrate more on their college system bcoz they somehow knew that they cudn't surpass us as of here in Cebu(but I thnk they dnt hav to close up their HS bcoz they'r already bettr here.)
And we don't claim to be the best students. I'm not an achiever myself but USC made me better than what I was back then. :)
GO USC!=P
hey..yeah all carolinians rock.. like ohmyged, i thot the ust students are excellent but i think they do not know how to read and understand a simple text.. shame on you.. usc still rocks you know.. why don't you go here in cebu and try to visit our old yet amazing school building at main campus and how about a tour over at the university of san carlos talamban campus huh?? so you could really see how amazing carolinians really are.. way off UST.. insecure mu noh??haha come on carolinians, never use tagalog in this conversation..eww tagalog sucks..corny au tah paminawon magtagalog.. rather speak in english
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angkukulet nyo talaga mga usc sabi ng pangalawa lamg kayo eh,..,,,idudugtong nyo pa ang di kasali.,,.,.sabi nang nagclose yung unang institution,,,,,saka kayo pumalit kaya dapat magsisimula ang counting of year dun kung saan kayo nagestablish ,,.,tapus na yun eh,.,.,.idudugtung nya pa,.,.,.,
kulet nyo talaga mga usc.,..,.,.,..,,.kung oldest school building eh panalo na kayo ah.,,,,.,institution yung tanung nuy,.,,magising kayo sa katotohanan.,.,,napuntahan ku yung skul nyo,..,.,yung mga remaining sa museum is the evidence ng naunang school na napatalsik sila at na nagtayo lamang kayo ng sariling school.,,.,di nyo nacontinue ang ang naunang school,..,,.sa halip ay ginamit nyo lang ang old building ng colegio de san idelfonso para sa bagong institusion dala ng bagong patron ng school,,.,.,..,,.,.,..,i think usc hate to speak tagalog coz cebu is a foreign region i think they where being colonize by the americans,chinese and other foreign nation at this time they lost thier nationality.,,.,.as you can see yung place nila parang walang trace ng pagiging pilipino,.,,kaya wag na kayong umasta na superior kayo.,.,.,,,ayos gyud,.,.
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buot man gud pasabot sa usc kai oldest school not oldest university....
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I would like to make some point..
First..The topic concerns about the "oldest school in the Philippines"..no more, no less..
Second..It does not showcase which university is "better" based on "Age".. does institutions get better as time goes by?..well, I don't think so.
Third..both universities are the products of our past.. They both exist today, not as we see it fit.
We are in our respective institutions not to judge, but to contribute.
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I am from Cebu and I once studied in USC, but I think UST is right in claiming to be the oldest. Be fair naman pud, my fellow Cebuanos, let's not be too close-minded and regionalistic because it's a shame, really. If the original Colegio de San Ildefonso got closed for several years and was reopened by a different Catholic congregation, with a new patron saint, new everything, etc. then it is not the same school. Just because they acquired the same building and the other memorabilias from the old school don't mean that they are one and the same. Second, does USC have any records to show when Colegio de San Ildefonso registered as an academic institution and not a dormitory? I bet the new SVD priests don't have that data, or if they do, they are not showing it around because it might show a date older than that of UST which is in 1611. Cebuanos, we have a lot of other legacies we can rightfully claim, so we don't need this one. Let UST claim this because it is truly theirs. The USC administrators are just using this controversy as an excuse to increase our tuition fees by trying the elevate the 'value' of our school.
heyyyyy...
Why are you so eager to claim that your school is the oldest university among others....
Aren't you contented of having that record?.....or let's say.....are you trying to beat us?.........
Huhhhh.....well!.....we do accepted that we are not not the oldest university..but what you were talking about is different from what UST students meant.....
The whole life is a gamble..we are all gammblers....
Yet..we don't claim and we are not going to claim that we are the best......but we tried to be worthy of being the best as we are!
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I think its not the name of the school why it gain as the oldest school in the Philippines, but the structure and the buildings. USC deserve that kind of recognition.
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base sa mga abasa ko... ganito na ba ang mga mag-aaral at mga nagsipagtapos sa isang paaralang katoliko? galing man kayo sa mga kilala at nagpipitagang pamantasan sa bansa, pero kung siasta parang walang pinag-aralan. nagsayang lang ba kayo ng pera ninyo para lang masabi na diyan kayo nag-aral? Ito ay di paninira sa mga kagalang-galang na pamantasan ng UST at USC, kundi isang pagpuna lamang sa mga opinyong walang substansya.
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UST was also closed during world war II...that makes it no different to USC...even for a short period...it still has years without operation...colegio de san ildefonso isnt jsut a dorm...kaya nga colegio eh...tsk...although UST is the oldest university...u cant deny the existence of USC as the oldest school in asia...1595 compared to 1611...tsk3...klaro na man cguro
Wag na nga kayo mag-english! Puro naman kayo wrong grammar! Kayong mga taga San Carlos wag niyo ng patulan yan. Sige na kayo na ang tama. Kayo namang taga UST..wag niyo na pakialaman yang mga yan...mas sikat naman yung school niyo kaya pagbigyan niyo na sila. Paminsan lang sa sila marecognize kaya pabayaan niyo na. ipahiram niyo muna yung spotlight ng 5 minutes tapos kunin niyo na ulit.
The university traces its origin to the founding of the school Colegio de San Ildefonso. Colegio de San Ildefonso was founded by the Spanish Jesuits fathers Antonio Sedeno, Pedro Chirino and Antonio Pereira on August 1, 1595. It was closed in 1769 at the expulsion of the Jesuits. In 1783, the initiative of the Bishop Mateo Joaquin de Arevalo opened the Colegio-Seminario de San Carlos. In 1852, the management of the college was entrusted to the Dominican fathers, replaced in 1867 by the Vincentian Fathers then, in 1935, the Societas Verbi Divini or the Society of the Divine Word (SVD). The Second World War led to the interruption of the courses in 1941 because several buildings suffered various amounts of destruction. The buildings reopened as repairs were made over the course of 1945 and 1946. The Colegio de San Carlos was granted its university charter in 1948. The University was named after St. Charles Borromeo.
University of San Carlos' claim to being the oldest school in Asia, however, is disputed. Historians point out that it cannot trace its origin to the Colegio de San Ildefonso because this school (a grammar school as described by Fr. Ernesto M. Lagura, SVD, president of the University of San Carlos during the Centennial Congress on Higher Education held on May 28–29, 1998) was shut down in 1769 with the expulsion of the Jesuits. In 1783, the Colegio-Seminario de San Carlos opened under new owners. [7] The Pontifical University of Santo Tomas in Manila has been in existence since 1611 and was interrupted only by World War II. It was elevated to university status in 1645.
The college-seminary of San Carlos became University of San Carlos in 1948. The university is chaired by the Father Dionisio Miranda. The board of directors (Board of Trustees) is chaired by Jesus N. Alcordo.
The university traces its origin to the founding of the school Colegio de San Ildefonso. Colegio de San Ildefonso was founded by the Spanish Jesuits fathers Antonio Sedeno, Pedro Chirino and Antonio Pereira on August 1, 1595. It was closed in 1769 at the expulsion of the Jesuits. In 1783, the initiative of the Bishop Mateo Joaquin de Arevalo opened the Colegio-Seminario de San Carlos. In 1852, the management of the college was entrusted to the Dominican fathers, replaced in 1867 by the Vincentian Fathers then, in 1935, the Societas Verbi Divini or the Society of the Divine Word (SVD). The Second World War led to the interruption of the courses in 1941 because several buildings suffered various amounts of destruction. The buildings reopened as repairs were made over the course of 1945 and 1946. The Colegio de San Carlos was granted its university charter in 1948. The University was named after St. Charles Borromeo.
University of San Carlos' claim to being the oldest school in Asia, however, is disputed. Historians point out that it cannot trace its origin to the Colegio de San Ildefonso because this school (a grammar school as described by Fr. Ernesto M. Lagura, SVD, president of the University of San Carlos during the Centennial Congress on Higher Education held on May 28–29, 1998) was shut down in 1769 with the expulsion of the Jesuits. In 1783, the Colegio-Seminario de San Carlos opened under new owners. [7] The Pontifical University of Santo Tomas in Manila has been in existence since 1611 and was interrupted only by World War II. It was elevated to university status in 1645.
The college-seminary of San Carlos became University of San Carlos in 1948. The university is chaired by the Father Dionisio Miranda. The board of directors (Board of Trustees) is chaired by Jesus N. Alcordo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_San_Carlos
kayo narin ang nagsabi na OLDEST SCHOOL so that means UST is oldest school kasi DORM palang naman ang USC nun eh at hindi pa School sya
mas nauna ngang itayo ang building ng USC pero hindi naman sinabing mas naunang itayong building eh, school ang pinag-uusapan
I've read all of the posts here. Kindda weird coz checkin' on this " COLEGIO" de san ildefonso" i dont think "colegio" would refer to a dormitory. It may looked like a dormitory before but because of the term "colegio" that makes a big difference. I dont know if you students from UST are using a different dictionary or what.
"Pahiram ng spotlight" ... the spotlight is yours but the excellence is for the Carolinians.
It's not the spotlight nor popularity that creates a good name.
"Pilipino ka, mahalin mo kung ano ibinigay sayo ng Maykapal."... we cebuanos prefer to be called as cebuanos rather than be called as "Pilipino".
"Cebuano ka, pero maspinagmalaki mo pa iyong wikang Ingles.".... It's just that Cebuanos can hardly speak Tagalog. We can speak in English fluently and speaking in Tagalog is like a tongue twister for us.
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very clear.
oldest school USC
oldest university UST
wala naman dapat pag arguehan dito.
If the capital of the Philippines was not transferred to Manila due to strategic location. Ano kaya mangyayari if Cebu was maintained by the Spaniards to be the capital or Legaspi? Ano kaya meron sa Manila in that case?
The Ateneo de Manila University began in 1859 when Spanish Jesuits established the Escuela Municipal de Manila, a public primary school established in Intramuros for the city of Manila. However, the educational tradition of the Ateneo embraces the much older history of the Jesuits as a teaching order in the Philippines.
The first Spanish Jesuits arrived in the country in 1581. While primarily missionaries, they were also custodians of the ratio studiorum, the system of Jesuit education formulated about 1559. In 1590, they founded one of the first colleges in the Philippines, the Colegio de Manila (also known as the Colegio Seminario de San Ignacio) under the leadership of Antonio Sedeño, S.J. The school formally opened in 1595.
http://www.ateneo.edu/index.php?p=348
Following the logic of the USC claim, then Ateneo is the oldest school and university in the Philippines.
What's up with you people?
I'm sorry but I find it senseless to fight over this title. What now if either UST or USC is the oldest one. We're still not contributing to this community by doing these senseless arguing. You can comment on the article but let's just make this bragging rights as friendly as possible.
I do agree. If we are to follow the claims of USC, then Ateneo de Manila University is the rightful recipient of the title "Oldest School in Asia". They established, in the year 1590, the Colegio Seminario de San Ignacio. However, Ateneans were smarter not to push through with their claims. They do know that Colegio Seminario de San Ignacio was already closed and what they have established again in 1859 is a new school. Nevertheless, our government, other local schools, the Vatican and other foreign nations and institutions are all recognizing the claim of UST as the Oldest in Asia, so where's the dispute anyway?
P.S. We are speaking in Filipino not in Tagalog. Tagalog was not the language evolving and accepting new words we are using now; it was FILIPINO. Another thing, we are not Pilipinos, BUT FILIPINOS.
The Pontifical and Royal University of Santo Tomas, founded in 1611, is not only the oldest University but also the oldest School in Asia.
The Claim that the University of San Carlos traces its roots to the Colegio de San Ildefonso (1595) is invalid since their is no clear link between the two. After the expulsion of the Jesuits, the Colegio closed down.
Years later, the colegio's facilities was used by its new owners and opened with a new name.
Also, unlike UST,their is NO visible and clear link between the two since USC people cannot give concrete evidences (e.g. Foundation Acts, Papal bulls, Testaments, Royal Charters, etc) that will indeed clarify their empty claim.
Only the BUILDING and FACILITIES of the Colegio per se lived on BUT the Colegio de San Ildefonso was never again revived.
Unlike UST, USC never experienced a homogeneous growth that is why, it cannot claim its roots from Colegio de San Ildefonso.
Even older than Harvard. o.o
The OLDEST SCHOOL and the OLDEST UNIVERSITY IS UST.
HIndi porke't COLEGIO, ibig sabihin school na (at least during the year 1595)
“It should be noted that most Jesuit residences in the Philippines, as elsewhere, were called colegios, whether they were educational institutions, houses of formation, centers of apostolate, or seats of government and administration for the Society,”
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ust is still the oldest university in philippines and asia because it continued to do its progress from 1611 up to present. usc has closed sometime due to exploitaion of the jesuits.
UST still the oldest UNIVERSITY in the PHILS...... Since it was founded in 1611 its operation not a single time interrupted and the DOMINICAN rus from the starts until now
While USC..... Stops its operation.... ( traces roots to the Colegio de San Ildefonso 1595 by the Jesuits, closed in 1769, reopened in 1783 by the local bishop, transferred ownership to the Dominicans (1852), then to the Vincentians (1867), and finally to the Society of the Divine Word fathers in 1935. Closed in 1941 during World War II; reopened in 1945. Received university charter in 1948.
University of Santo Tomas, founded on April 28, 1611 by archbishop of Manila Miguel de Benavides. Elevated by Pope Innocent X to a university on November 20, 1645. Owned by the Dominicans in its entirety of existence. It has the oldest extant university charter in the Philippines and in Asia.[32][33]
in the end, it's not the age that matters.
what i know... UST is the OLDEST SCHOOL in the Philippines. That is according to our High school and college filipino teachers. UST is the official oldest school in the country even though USC's claims that they should be the oldest school and not UST.
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This issue of being the oldest university has long been settled in favor of UST. The House of Representatives when it passed HR Resolution No. 51 on Dec 1, 2011.
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